Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Transfusing blood is NOT eating blood

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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watchtowers official view:.

you also ask why one can be disfellowshipped for taking a blood transfusion but not for taking blood fractions.

while both may affect the life of an individual, the expression "life-sustaining" in connection with blood transfusions is synonymous with the idea of taking in food for nourishment.

Marvin Shilmer

To this very day Watchtower persists in teaching its utter nonsense that transfusing blood is eating blood. Take a look at what Watchtower says in its 2014 convention release: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2014/07/transfusion-eating-is-still-canard.html

Ironically, the very fraction ("serum") Watchtower spoke of in its response to the R. Jensen letters is demonstrated to be a blood fraction which transfusion of actually does offer parenteral nutrition. But Watchtower never lets whopping details like this stand it the way of what it wants to tell folks. See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-expert-on-blood-transfusion.html

Watchtower assertion about Denys is wholly wrong. Denys never said what Watchtower alleges he said. See: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2013/02/academic-deception-or-incompetence.html

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WHEN WAS THE VERY LAST ARTICLE ON BLOOD IN EITHER THE WATCHTOWER OR THE AWAKE?

by steve2 in

there's been a buzz on this forum - on and off but currently on - that there has not been an article in any watchtower publication on the blood ban for a while - which feeds speculation that the organization is distancing itself from this doctrinal absurdity.

does that mean there's been nothing mentioned about the blood doctrine for months or years?

specifically, when did the watchtower last mention the blood ban?

Marvin Shilmer

http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/what-happened-at-watchtower-in-2001.html

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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

by Simon in

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it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

Marvin Shilmer

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"What is most effective is having information available and reasoned arguments and evidence about the WTS and their beliefs and practices, things to show the person that they are not alone, that it isn't just "them" or their congregation or isolated incidents."

I agree 100%.

Marvin Shilmer

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So, I met someone interesting...

by TD in

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from the original 1960's star trek:.

irene kelly.. i didn't recognize her at first, but something was familiar.

Marvin Shilmer

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Tell us about it.

Marvin

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A new start? Watchtower renaming at HQ Columbia Heights

by Gorbatchov in

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friends,.

who was in any doubt that our jw believe is a marketing model, see this pictures of the still existing hq of jw at columbia heights.. earlier comments on jwn that something is going to change in the organisation, these comments are true.. in a few years we will not talk about the watchtower society, we wil talk about jw.org.

i think the current leadership will make a transfer to a new start.

Marvin Shilmer

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I guess the likes of "God's name is ..." or "Read about the good news of ..." cannot compete with shameless self-promotion.

Watchtower is about Watchtower. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's a business being run like a business.

Marvin Shilmer

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Marvin Shilmer

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Adamah,

Readers who want to measure veracity of claims should do so based on their own firsthand consideration of those claims. I’m not interested in reaching any other kind of reader.

What your cryptic remarks about someone being caught in a lie or stretching the truth is supposed to mean is only known to you.

I advise readers to consult whatever source information is cited.

Oh, and it is preposterous to think it creates impression of “having something to hide” because a person is lazy or otherwise unable to go to the library to consult source material at issue. These people don’t have a reason to think anyone is hiding anything.

Marvin Shilmer

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Marvin Shilmer

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“Interesting, Marvin, as you seemingly are unaware of the doctrine of 'contributury copyright infringement', a tort where inducing others to infringe copyright actually exposes one to charges, as well?”

Adamah,

I’m unconcerned about my personal exposure on this matter, and am not attempting to induce anything illegal. I think my point was/is clear enough, and it was said to a person who’s apparently willing to flagrantly disregard property rights of a thirdparty!

“While I may be interested in the issue enough to click on a link to read it for free, few will be willing to PAY to gain access to material that's locked behind a pay-wall.”

So what?

“And that's part of the practical problem with relying on Beliaev's study for anything, really: if it cannot be easily accessed by the reader to confirm by clicking on a link, the study might as well not exist, since in the minds of many laypersons, it only creates the impression of having something to hide.”

That’s beyond preposterous!!!

Any layperson with an ounce of get-up-and-go can typically get to a public library, which will in almost all cases have access to this information.

Marvin Shilmer

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Marvin Shilmer

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“The point is that there is disagreement amongst peer-reviewed published professionals, therefore amateur bloggers should know their place, and not be so dogmatic.”

Besty,

You presume a great deal, of the professionals at issue as well as my person.

You, for instance, presume Isbister disagrees with Beliaev’s response to his criticism, as though Isbister’s initial complaint remains a point of disagreement from him.

As for me, I’ve not offered an argument based on my own authority; hence your aspersions cast toward me are nothing short of an irrelevant red herring, if not ad hominem. I recommend you read up on informal fallacies.

I restate my initial comment that for reason known only to you, is objected to by your person:

Respectfully, if you’re going to completely disregard copyright infringement then you might as well give equal time to the original authors’ response to Isbister’s objections. It’s revealing.

Marvin Shilmer

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Marvin Shilmer

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“hi marvin - I assume you are unaware of the false balance fallacy.”

Besty,

Then you assume wrong.

As Beliaev’s information presentation is worthy of critical analysis so it is of Isbister’s informational presentation.

Isbister makes claims in his criticism of Beliaev’s work that are demonstrably false. This is unapparent to novices, but the falseness of Isbister’s primary criticism is found within the tables of Beliaev’s work. For those who do not know how, or who don’t take time to notice what the tables express in values, they can look at the footnote that points out the very things criticized by Isbister have in fact been accounted for.

Should I assume you are either unable to understand the tables in Beliaev’s information presentation, or that you didn’t take time to study the tables?

Should I assume you believe Isbister’s claim purely because Isbister asserts it?

Have you read the author’s response to Isbister’s claims to determine yourself what claims have merit and which one’s don’t?

If not, then what is your point?

Marvin Shilmer

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Anyone know of any witnesses that concealed carry to meetings?

by LogCon in

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does anyone know of any witnesses, in good standing, brother or sisters, that used to conceal carry to meetings or field service?.

Marvin Shilmer

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“Does anyone know of any witnesses, in good standing, brother or sisters, that used to conceal carry to meetings or field service?”

In some parts of the world local elders recommend carrying a loaded gun in field service, presumably because of wildlife. In parts of Alaska this is common.

Historically, there was a time when JWs were encouraged to arm themselves when in field service and at the Kingdom Hall.

See: Jehovah’s Witnesses and Firearms – Overlooked History available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/02/jehovahs-witnesses-and-firearms.html

Marvin Shilmer